This blog post gathers together some of my mentions of Neanderthals in my writings.

Who was Homo Erectus? Father or Brother of Modern Man?

One depiction of Homo Erectus which is very subjective as it is based only on skeletons.

I do not believe that Homo Erectus is the ancestor of these human populations mentioned above but is a sibling of them. He is in my opinion a descendant of Japheth's wife Adan as is Neanderthal man. He became extinct by the end of the Ice Age in 1350 BC. In the evolutionary literature it speaks about Neanderthal having genes from Modern Man around 200,000 years ago. This 200,000 YBP date of the genetist evolutionists is the creationist date of 2,000 BC and the Neanderthal-Modern Human mix at this time was that of Japheth who was a Modern Man or CroMagnon mating with Adan. This is the geologic uniformitarian period of 245 million years ago (in northern hemisphere). Thus geologic column date of about 245-208 million years ago = the evolutionary geneticist date of about 200,000-100,000 years before the present = about 2000 BC. 

An article in Quantamagazine entitled "Fossil DNA Reveals New Twists in Modern Human Origins" by Jordana Cepelewicz in 2019 gives a good coverage of some of the latest thinking by the evoltionary scientists. As the 200,000 YBP is the genetic evolutionary date for what the Creationist date of 2000 BC (in my chronology but other creationist about 2,400 and some older than that) so the 60,000 YBP represents about 1513 BC (in my chronology of ancient history) and the 36.6-5.3 million years ago in the geologic column (in the northern hemispere). 

The Modern Man dna mentioned as being the first mixture with Neanderthal is because this first mix was of the mt-dna of Adan and the y-dna of Noah, Japheth and his sons. The y-dna of Neanderthal men did not survive the Flood of Noah, nor did that of the Denisovans descended from Nahal the wife of Ham. The y-dna of the Neanderthal, Denisovan as well as Homo Erectus all come from Noah. Cepelewics writes:

"Humans today are mosaics, our genomes rich tapestries of interwoven ancestries. With every fossil discovered, with every DNA analysis performed, the story gets more complex: We, the sole survivors of the genus Homo, harbor genetic fragments from other closely related but long-extinct lineages. Modern humans are the products of a sprawling history of shifts and dispersals, separations and reunions — a history characterized by far more diversity, movement and mixture than seemed imaginable a mere decade ago."

However many of these proposals are very speculative without the ancient dna to back them up. Cepelewicz writes:

"It’s another to provide concrete details about when and where those couplings occurred. “We’ve got this picture where these events are happening all over the place,” said Aylwyn Scally, an evolutionary geneticist at the University of Cambridge. “But it’s very hard for us to pin down any particular single event and say, yeah, we’re really confident that that one happened — unless we have ancient DNA.”... 

Using one such new technique, first in 2016 and then again in a preprint posted earlier this summer, Siepel and his team found that around 3% of Neanderthal DNA — and possibly as much as 6% — came from modern humans who mated with the Neanderthals more than 200,000 years ago. The same group who gave rise to modern humans throughout the world also furnished Neanderthals with (at least a little) more DNA than the Neanderthals would later give them. “You think you’re just looking at a Neanderthal,” Siepel said, “but you’re actually looking at a mixture of Neanderthal and modern human.”..."

Siepel one of the scientists involved in these new techniques believes that Denisovans mystery group may  have been Homo Erectus.

"...According to Siepel’s analysis, that sort of nested mixing seems to have been exactly what happened with the Denisovans. When the team looked at the Denisovan genome, they found fragments of DNA in it from an even earlier hominin, vestiges of some population whose own genome has not been found or sequenced. It might have been Homo erectus, which split off from the ancestors of modern humans and spread across Eurasia about 1 million years ago. The contribution from this unidentified group “was at the limits of our detection power,” according to Siepel, because it constituted only about 1% of the Denisovan genome. During later interbreeding events, tiny pieces of that 1% got passed on to modern humans in Southeast Asia, Papua New Guinea and some parts of East Asia. “A small set of extremely divergent DNA sequences present in modern humans, if our analysis is correct, would have been passed through two interbreeding events,” Siepel said..."

Cepelewicz writes:

"...Siepel is also using his algorithm to look for signs of natural selection acting on these DNA sequences: Were ancient hominins any better or worse off for carrying more genes from modern ones? So far, his team has found no evidence for either positive or negative selection in the flow of genes from modern humans into Neanderthals 200,000 years ago, which indicates that “most of this gene flow … is just a signature of populations in contact,” according to Hawks."

In regard to Neanderthals Hawks concludes:

“It suggests that maybe Neanderthals actually are us,” he said. “As different as they are, maybe they’re just another version of us.”

Mammoths, Dinosaurs and Neanderthals: Living Together?

There is convincing evidence that soft tissue and other biomolecules have survived from the Mesozoic to the present, possibly because of their interaction with blood iron and/or carbonate adsorption. Here we present the results of investigations showing that ancient biomolecules and their decay products contain significantly higher percent Modern carbon (pMC = ¹⁴C/¹²C) values than diamond and coal. South African diamonds yielded pMC values of from 0.16 to 0.11 pMC, or ages of 52,000 to 55,000 Carbon-14 years before present (¹⁴C years BP) [Baumgardner et al., 2003]. Ten coal specimens from the United States from Eocene and Pennsylvanian strata were 0.33 to 0.16 pMC, or 46,000 to 52,000 ¹⁴C years BP. By comparison, our field and lab study of ten dinosaurs from Texas to Alaska plus China yielded much higher pMC’s of 6.50 to 0.61, or 22,000 to 41,000 ¹⁴C years BP after pretreatment to remove old and modern soil contaminants. The evidence for endogenous pMC was further enhanced by the δ¹³C range of -20.1 to -23.8 for collagen, -16.6 to -28.4 for bulk organic, and -3.1 to -9.1 for CO3 fractions. This data clarifies why such biomolecules have persisted. These unexpected results call for replication to determine whether they are anomalous. If not, the implication is that a portion of the geological time scale should be condensed, indicating a higher risk to Earth of meteorite impact due to greater frequency. We recommend systematic ¹⁴C dating of similar samples taken from different parts of the entire geologic column.  [Hugh Miller, Robert Bennett, Jean de Pontcharra, Maciej Giertych, Marie C. van Oosterwyck-Gastuche et al. (2019) The Search for Solutions to Mysterious Anomalies in the Geologic Column. Geol Earth Mar Sci Volume 1(1): 1–15. DOI: 10.31038/GEMS.2019114]

This study demonstrates that cataclysmic events on earth occurred in much more recent times. Their conclusions seem to accord with many of my own. They conclude:

Our tentative conclusions are:

1. The 65 to 150 million year ages attributed to dinosaurs are apparently erroneous.
2. The 45 million years between the Late Cretaceous and Late Jurassic epochs are also mistaken, since dinosaur fossils and coal from these strata exhibit equivalent ¹⁴C ages.
3. Dinosaurs apparently coexisted with both Neanderthal and Modern man for a period of time. Distinct dinosaur depictions exist world-wide, apparently because contemporaneous people actually saw them. For example, see Figures 5 and 6.
4. The diverse evidence provides a simple explanation for the survival of soft tissue and bio-molecules in some dinosaur fossils, beyond any possible contribution of biofilm and blood iron. Such complex organic substances should not survive burial past 100,000 years [41], [42].
5. The 19^th century hypothesis that sedimentary formations took millions of years to form is clearly contradicted by 14C ages for Neanderthals, wood, coal, amber, shale and dinosaur bones as well as with studies of sedimentary deposits in moving water, including mudstone. These studies demonstrate simultaneous deposition of multiple strata in rapidly moving water [Figure 2]. This leads to the possibility that extensive sedimentary formations were deposited by one or more cataclysmic events only thousands of years ago rather than millions.
6. The minute amounts or absence of collagen found in dinosaur bones could be at least partially attributed to their burial in megaflood deposits, with associated leaching, so that only the CaCO3 of bioapatite could be ¹⁴C dated.

It would seem to me that the dates based in the study of the period of 75,000 to 56,000 Carbon 14 years is the period of 2005-1850 BC, 56,000-50,000 is the Triassic, 56,000-19,000 is the Jurasic-Cretaceous-Paleocene-Eocene 1850-1654 BC.   

It has confirmed for me my theory or proposal that the Jurassic and Cretaceous were synonymous.  The results on wood, coal, amber and soil confirm further that with Jurassic and Cretaceous that Eocene and thus Paleocene are also synonymous. This study also suggests that the so-called Pennsylvanian period may not have been before the Flood (Permian) but after and is synonymous with the Jurasic-Cretaceous-Paleocene-Eocene period. However, this is only one sample and may just be a faulty dating problem.

The study states in regard to mammoth fossils: 

The range of ¹⁴C ages for 363 mammoth samples (pMC 33 to 0.16, or 9,000 to 52,000 ¹⁴C years BP) is similar to that of samples from eleven dinosaurs (pMC 6.5 to 0.61, or 22,000 to 41,000 ¹⁴C years BP).

Thus I would say the mammoth fossils demonstrate that they survived well after 1654 BC whereas the dinosaurs flourished  between 1850-1654 BC as did Neanderthal man. It would seem that for every thousand carbon 14 years at this time that it was 5.3 years in human time. The cataclysmic events of 1850 BC that destroyed the tower of Babel began this period and it ends with the cataclysmic events that destroy Sodom and Gomorrah in 1654 BC.

56,000-1850-1845 BC. South African Diamonds date to this period between 1850-1818 BC.

55,000-1845-1839

54,000- 1839-1834

53,000-1834 -1829

52,000-1829-1823

51,000-1823- 1818

50,000-1818 -1813 BC. Neanderthal fossils in this study date between 1818-1712 BC.

49,000- 1813-1807

48,000- 1807-1802

47,000- 1802- 1797

46,000-1797- 1791

45,000-1791- 1786

44,000- 1786-1781

43,000-1781- 1775

42,000-1775- 1770

41,000-1770-1765 BC. The Dinosaurs tested ranged from 1770-1669 BC.

40,000-1765-1760

39,000-1760-1754

38,000-1754-1749

37,000-1749- 1744

36,000-1744- 1738

35,000-1738-1733

34,000-1733-1728

33,000-1728- 1722

32,000-1722-1717

31,000-1717-1712

30,000-1712- 1706

29,000-1706-1701

28,000-1701- 1696

27,000-1696-1691

26,000-1691-1685

25,000- 1685- 1680

24,000-1680- 1675

23,000-1675 -1669

22,000-1669- 1664

21,000-1664- 1659

20,000-1659-1654 

In a similar way in the Triassic period  between 2005-1850 BC a 1,000 carbon 14 years possibly represent about 6.45 human years. My premise is that the Carbon decay rate was not constant over time and that the decay rate was different in different major periods. The dates in the study rely on the decay rate of today in our modern era being read back into the past. I personally hold that the present decay rate has only been since about 1530 AD and before that it differs in different periods. The decay rate is also affected by other factors such as being submerged in water and solar radiation. Thus I conclude that in the period between 1850-1654 BC J-C-P-E Carbon decayed in one year that today would take about 187 years. 

I have noticed over the years when dating methodologies don't confirm the evolutionary theories the evolutionist autocratically decide with out any evidence at all that the samples must be contaminated and dismissed. When the dates suit their purpose they are never contaminated. With unusual honesty Professor Bruce Brew told his audience at a scientific conference:

1513 BC Joseph's famine event and the Toba Eruption and Destruction of Australian Eridu (End of Neogene) the solar year changes from 281 days to 320 days. Most of the maternal lineage Neanderthals (Adanites) and Denisovans (Nahalites) died out at this time.   

From:Gravettian, Solutean, Aurignacian and Atlantic Bronze Age Cultures and U mt-dna 

Scholars have invented an outline of the supposed history of mankind based on the evidence of archeology and paleontology. However, the dating and identification of these remains are very speculative and suspect. To use technology remains as a dating methodology is fraught with problems. A stone age culture could be followed by an iron age culture and then by a stone culture again. A stone age culture and a bronze Age culture could exist at the same time in different settlements of culturally different tribes and peoples.

For example scholars date the so-called Gravettian culture to 22 -34 thousand years ago. This is dated before the Ice Age. In fact, the Gravettian culture found centred in Spain and France was less than 3,000 year ago in the days of Kings Saul and David in Israel. Instead of lasting for 12 thousand years it was more likely about 200 years and was succeeded by the so-called Solutean culture in the days of King Solomon. The so-called Aurignacian culture overlapped the Grevettian and represented an earlier move of people from the Levant after the end of the Ice Age (around 1350 BC). After 1350 BC the tribes living in the northern parts of the Levant moved into Europe and Siberia. It was in the period between the Flood (around 2005 BC) and the Ice Age that the Neanderthals dwelt in Europe, who were descendants of Japheth's wife Adan. However, the Neanderthals may have died out earlier around 1513 BC at the time of the Toba eruption disasters. On the male line these Neanderthals may have been from the Lotite (H2 y-dna) and the Chazonite (H1 y-dna) clans of the sons of Madai son of Japheth. 

Neanderthals, Introgression and Mutation Rates

 

 

 From:In the Beginning: Adam's Family and Advanced Pre-Deluge Technology

The original Adam haRishon (the first man) is the common ancestor of all the branches of the human race, that scholars and scientists call Cro-Magnon or modern man, Denisovan man, Archaic man and Neanderthal man. Many of us from our school days have seen images of Neanderthal men which were drawn as a cross between men and apes or bestial men. In fact, more recent scientists, have through computer technology and advances in IT, demonstrated more accurate images of these people, which are much closer in appearance to that of Cro-Magnon man than to the hairy ape men of our youth. Some have commented, when they saw the new images, that they looked like wild red-haired Scotsmen or the Wildlings from the “Game of Thrones” TV series.

Adam was created in 4006 BC according to our time and present calendar. Adam lived in the Garden of Eden for 36 hours of Edenic time which equated to 36 years in our time. Eve was created from Adam ten hours later which was 3996 BC in our time and calendar. It may have been at this time in 3970 BC that the first mutations occurred in mankind, as a result of the cataclysmic events of the Fall. The pre-Deluge Denisovans and Neanderthals were descendants of Cain, who was born in 3942 BC. The pre-Deluge Denisovans were black in skin tone, hair and eyes. The pre-Deluge Neanderthals were reddish yellow (bronze) in skin tone and Red in hair colour with green eyes. These pre-Deluge Denisovans and Neanderthals were much more refined in features than those after the flood who had degenerated due to inbreeding and lifestyle. They may not have been as genetically suited to the environmental changes caused by the Flood as were those who were Cro-Magnon. However, the wives of Ham and Japheth - Nahal and Adan - lived before this degeneration occurred and had the features and traits of the pre-Deluge proto-Denisovans of Mars and the pre-Deluge proto-Neanderthals of Earth. They passed certain racial features to their sons who intermarried with the Cro-Magnon daughters of Lebab the Tzadika (the righteous one) the wife of Shem and Araxa the “daughter” of Noah.

New Study of Neanderthal and Denisovan Y-dna

                                                               Neanderthal man

A recent study is entitled "Y chromosomes of Neanderthals and Denisovans now sequenced: Neanderthals have adopted male sex chromosome from modern humans" in Science Digest. This confirms what I wrote previously that the Neanderthals have y-dna from so-called modern humans. This is because Neanderthals and Denisovans females survived the Flood in the persons of the wives of Japheth (Adan mother of the Neanderthals) and Ham (Nahal mother of the Denisovans).

                                                 Denisovan faces reconstructed

The so-called sequenced y-dna of the Neanderthals and Denisovans possibly demonstrates the pre-Flood y-dna of the male descendants of Cain that didn't survive the Flood but some of their genes are found in the at-dna of modern humans who all descend on the direct y-dna male line from Noah. On the direct mt-dna line modern humans descend from Naamah (who died before the Flood) who was the grandmother of Lebab the wife of Shem and the mother of Emzara the wife of Noah. Thus the gene flow between the descendants of Awan the wife of Cain and the descendants of Zillah one of the wives of the Cainite King Lamech occurring before the Deluge. Some call this earlier branch of the human family the Archaics and I think we could call them the Awans or Awanites. 

The article states:

In this study, the researchers identified three male Neanderthals and two Denisovans that were potentially suitable for DNA analysis, and developed an approach to fish out human Y chromosome molecules from the large amounts of microbial DNA that typically contaminate ancient bones and teeth. This allowed them to reconstruct the Y chromosome sequences of these individuals, which would not have been possible using conventional approaches.

By comparing the archaic human Y chromosomes to each other and to the Y chromosomes of people living today, the team found that Neanderthal and modern human Y chromosomes are more similar to one another than they are to Denisovan Y chromosomes. "This was quite a surprise to us. We know from studying their autosomal DNA that Neanderthals and Denisovans were closely related and that humans living today are their more distant evolutionary cousins. Before we first looked at the data, we expected that their Y chromosomes would show a similar picture," says Martin Petr, the lead author of the study. The researchers also calculated that the most recent common ancestor of Neanderthal and modern human Y chromosomes lived around 370,000 years ago, much more recently than previously thought.

It is by now well established that all people with non-African ancestry carry a small amount of Neanderthal DNA as a result of interbreeding between Neanderthals and modern humans approximately 50,000-70,000 years ago, quite shortly after modern humans migrated out of Africa and started spreading around the world. However, whether Neanderthals might also carry some modern human DNA has been a matter of some debate.

 Neanderthal woman

The distinct mt-dna lineages of the Neanderthals and Denisovans  mostly became extinct in 1513 BC at the time of Joseph during the 7 year nuclear winter and famine when only those in Egypt and areas near Egypt survived these events. The so-called evolutionary period of 50,000-70,000 years ago was the period after the Flood 4,000 years ago. The evolutionary 370,000 years ago is the period before the Flood.

The so-called Ghost population of African Neanderthals mixed with Africans represents a population in which Black Japhethite men with Adanite mothers intermarried with the African women of Luba with Black Hamite men with Shemite mothers may have occurred after the Flood. The Black Japhethites with Adanite mothers then may have died out around 1513 or earlier only leaving traces in the group of Africans which they had intermarried with. Or possibly a group of women who before the Flood were descendants of Isis who were sister or cousin clans of the Adahites and Zillahites and intermarried with an ancestor of Shem which brought these dna strands into the post Flood population but were only preserved in a group of the Lubaite women. Another possibility is that this was a group of Adanite women whose dna had been manipulated and taken back or retrogressed to an earlier mutation haplogroup and this would then give the impression that this group was from a sister clade of Adan rather than descended from Adan. It is then possible that this Adanite group (ghost African Neanderthals) mixed with the Atlanteans and then died out around 968 BC leaving their dna in those Africans who they had mated with descended from the mix of the sons of Ham with the daughters of Luba.

Neanderthal y-dna: What is it?

 Reconstruction of a Neanderthal child from Gibraltar

The understanding of Neanderthal man has changed especially with recent dna testing and studies and more discoveries. Instead of the ape like creatures that artists drew of Neanderthal man we now know they were not only like other humans but they were able to interbreed with them.

As I have mentioned before, I hold that Neanderthal is descended from Adan (or Adatanisis) the wife of Japheth who descends from Cain. The mt-dna of Neanderthal and Denisovan men and women are both maternal lineages that do not descend from the so-called mitochondrial Eve who in fact is the wife of Shem or the grandmother of Shem's wife who was also the mother of Noah's wife. The common mother of these three maternal lineages of so-called Modern Man, Neanderthals and Denisovans is the actual Eve who lived about 6,000 years ago. 

While much has been written about the mt-dna of Neanderthal nothing much is said about Neanderthal's y-dna. Claims are made that y-dna is harder to test for in older remains or that the researchers have contaminated the y-dna results. This is mainly said because the researchers don't like the results they get. The same was said about the y-dna of Pharaoh Akhenaten when it was revealed he had R1b M269 y-dna.

The mt-dna results of the Neanderthal from the Denisova Cave is happily accepted but the y-dna rejected as it actually turned out to be R y-dna. This result doesn't fit with the claim that this so-called Altai Neanderthal is 120,000 years old based on evolutionary methodologies of dating artifacts. However, if the father is R ydna this doesn't fit as the evolutionary model's claim that R y-dna originated 27,000 years ago. Of course dating by a more Biblical method R y-dna is less than 4,000 years in origin. It was the y-dna of some of the Patriarch Jacob's children by the full sisters Leah and Rachel.

The earlier mt-dna Neanderthals of Europe (the daughters of Adan) most likely have fathers of E, H1 and H2 y-dna coming from Japheth's descendants who settled in Europe and D y-dna for those who settled in Asia. However other Neanderthals may prove to have other y-dna. We know that most Europeans and Asians retain evidence in their dna of some Neanderthal ancestry. It would seem that the Neanderthal mt-dna on the direct female line is extinct unless a new discovery is made in some remote area. However the European Neanderthal y-dna is to be mostly found in E y-dna haplogroup which is spread even today throughout Europe. However through interbreeding with new arrivals the present E y-dna has only traces of Neanderthal. 

It would seem that women of W, X and I mt-dna may have been the first Shemite women (what Scientists call cro-magnon or modern) that mated with the Neanderthal men as these women also have some mutations in common with the Neanderthal women. It would seem that the daughters of this cross pollination received some of their fathers maternal mt-dna. It is now believed that Neanderthals can have red, blonde or brown hair and brown or fair eyes both blue and green. In fact the first daughters of Adan had red hair with yellow-red (bronze) skin like Adam and Eve and the first humans.

 Both black and white skin are a result of certain mutations that may have occurred naturally or been genetically manipulated before the Flood of Noah. In a recent study of Africans and colour pigmentation by the University of Pennsylvania they discovered the gene mutation for black skin. It is interesting that the black skin colour originally came from Nahal the wife of Ham. However some of her black sons or grandsons intermarried with Shemite wives who then settled in Africa and thus African people do not have any residual Neanderthal or Denisovan ancestry. However some of Nahal's black female descendants intermarried with Shemite men who moved into Asia and we find some Denisovan ancestry due to gene flow among the black peoples of Oceania and Australia and also some recent research claims Denisovan ancestry can also be found among the Han Chinese, Japanese and Dai peoples as well as Native Americans. 

A recent article also discusses that y-dna chromosomal genes of Neanderthal doesn't exist today in men.  This is because both the Neanderthal and Denisovan lineages only survived the world-wide Flood of Noah through the females- the wives of Ham and Japheth. All the males were drowned in the Flood.

From: Madai and G y-dna: Ebla and Mari

G y-dna descends from the F y-dna of the White Japhethites that moved north out of Australia (the third India) after the Black and Red Japhethites of C y-dna (Charranites or Comerites or Cimmerians) and the Bronze or Red Japhethites of D y-dna. Charran was a son-in-law of Cainan son of Arphaxad and a grandson of Gomer son of Japheth. These C y-dna Charrani had settled in the middle east in Syria and given it the name Charan or Haran. 

The southern Charranites intermarried with the black skinned daughters of Nahal (Denisovans) as they moved south into India as C1 y-dna sons of Anda and the northern Charranites intermarried with the bronze skinned daughters of Adan (Neanderthals) or at least they intermarried with the daughters of the bronze skinned Japhethite men of D y-dna, becoming the C2 y-dna sons of Monga. Thus the blonde and red haired with white skin Hebrews of IJK y-dna stood out when they entered the Charran lands as the majority of the peoples were darker skinned. Also when the blonde haired white skinned sons of Madai of G2a entered Europe they stood out among the darker skinned inhabitants. 

 

From:Kalamurina and Lake Eyre Discoveries: A Creationist Perspective

Most of the white population of Australia had left after that under the leadership of King Joseph Rubani and his brother Prince David Rubani, firstly to southern Arabia and then into Pakistan and Afghanistan and further north into the Russian Empire. The ones who remained in Australia after 1530 AD are the descendants of the K* y-dna of the Kenites or Kenanyi or Kenanya. Some of the Kenites settled in Indonesia and mixed with the populations. The S and M y-dna Aboriginals are descendants of Abraham's sons by Keturah.

The C y-dna  found in Australia comes from the islands near the Kerguelen Plateau (Java the Less) and is the y-dna of both the Pama or Polan people and the Nunga. They had intermixed with Neanderthals in Europe before they left there for the south where they intermixed with the Denisovans on Java the Less. Three branches of these C1 y-dna that were in the south in around 1530 moved with one branch going to Australia, another to Papua New Guinea and another group to South Asia. These were the descendants of Gomer of Japheth.

 

From: New Branch of Man found in China?

However the article also says:

"An international team of researchers from China, Spain and the United Kingdom unearthed the skull — specifically the mandible, or lower jaw — in the Hualongdong region of eastern China in 2015, along with 15 other specimens, all thought to originate from the late Middle Pleistocene period."

They say they think these fossils date from the Pleistocene, it is thus possible that they belong to a different period. Evolutionary scientists don't have any idea why the Denisovans and Neanderthals died out. If this period was in the Ice Age, could it be due to being severely inbred and them not being genetically and physically equipped to cope with cold weather or did they actually die out earlier in 1513 BC with the Toba eruption? Or did most of them die out in the Toba eruption and its after effects, and then those that survived in much smaller numbers died out in the Pleistocene and it was only those who had interbreed with modern humans (the daughters of Lebab the wife of Shem) that managed to survive due to a better suited genetics for the changed environments?

We could also ask the question if scientists in a advanced civilisation of the past developed a virus or disease that targeted the mt-dna of Neanderthals and Denisovans? Or was it a natural virus that may have done this without human intervention? We saw recently with the corona or covid virus that it seemed to target the elderly and those of certain Western European y-dna haplogroups belonging to R1b y-dna.

 "...The C y-dna  found in Australia comes from the islands near the Kerguelen Plateau (Java the Less) and is the y-dna of both the Pama or Polan people and the Nunga. They had intermixed with Neanderthals in Europe before they left there for the south where they intermixed with the Denisovans on Java the Less. Three branches of these C1 y-dna that were in the south in around 1530 moved with one branch going to Australia, another to Papua New Guinea and another group to South Asia. These were the descendants of Gomer of Japheth. It would seem the one group of C y-dna Ancestral Australian Aborigines were in Brazil and then went south to Antarctica and  some were in New Zealand or Zealandia and then the Kerguelen Plateau (Java the Less) before moving to Australia about 500 years ago..."

From: Gobekli Tepe and Timelines

I recently read an interesting paper by Anne Habermehl entitled "A creationist view of Gӧbekli Tepe: Timeline and other considerations" which she presented at the 8th International Conference on Creationism in 2018. The abstract for this paper states:

Gӧbekli Tepe is a prehistoric archaeological site in SE Turkey that has captured the attention of the world by how advanced it is for its age, an astounding 12,000 years old on the conventional timeline. This has required conventional scholars to readjust their thinking about the capabilities of ancient people because, according to their worldview, humans should not have been able to produce carved stone monuments like these that far back in time. Creationists do not find this difficult to accept because they believe that early man was a capable being, as created by God. In addition, because the creationist timeline is far shorter than the conventional one, Gӧbekli Tepe was not built as long ago as conventional scholars believe. In this paper we discuss the conventional versus biblical timelines and show the enormous telescoping of the conventional timeline in historical times that is necessary to correlate it to the two slightly variant biblical timelines (Masoretic and Septuagint). Using the end of the Neanderthals, the end of the Pleistocene, the Nile Delta formation, and Abraham’s visit to Egypt, it is proposed here that Gӧbekli Tepe was most likely founded somewhat more than one hundred years before Abraham’s visit to Egypt (Masoretic timeline) or, alternatively, around two hundred and fifty years before Abraham’s visit to Egypt (Septuagint timeline). It is postulated that geological events at the end of the Ice Age may have caused the builders of Gӧbekli Tepe to first migrate to the site, and then later abandon it.

Habermehl gives two alternative timelines based on Masoretic dates and Septuagint datings of the Bible. She mentions that the so-called Acheulean period, as proposed by the Evolutionary and Uniformitarian scientists, preceded the building of Gobekli Tepe and they give this period as beginning about 1.76 million years ago. In the MT timeline she dates this to 2250 BC and in the LXX timeline to 2570 BC which she proposes is the time of the Tower of Babel and the Birth of Peleg. I date this event to 1850 BC. 

She gives the conventional date for the death of the Neanderthals as 23,000 BC which correlates to her MT timeline as after 2100 BC and in her LXX timeline around 2200 BC. I would date this event to around 1513 BC when the world-wide famine of Joseph occurred. She then dates the building of Gobekli Tepe to the end of the Ice Age meltdowns which in the Uniformitarian datings is around 10,000 BC and in her MT is around 2040 BC and the LXX timeline as around 2170 BC. My date for this is after 1350 BC which was the time of the Exodus from Egypt. 

From: Adam and Eve, Red Hair and Racial Types

Adan of the House of Isis the wife of Japheth

Japheth's wife Adan (RR) or Adantisis was red haired, bronze skinned and green eyed and thus their children who have been WR. Adan's direct maternal line descendants were the Neanderthals and the direct maternal line descendants of Nahal were the Denisovans. However depending on who they married they could be of a diversity of skin, hair and eye colours among all the branches of man.

From: The Hebrew Y-dna: A New Creationist Understanding

  The creationist perspective found here is based on my study of dna in both modern people and ancient dna (a-dna) and the historical records and movements of Tribes and peoples. It is also based on a consideration of the whole y-dna tree for humans (what are called modern humans and are distinguished from other branches of the human tree that have not survived such as Neanderthals and Denisovans).

From: Toba Eruption and the Human Bottleneck in 1513 BC: Egypt and China